These were the sons of William and Elizabeth Grummitt.

Herbert Grummitt had married a lady called Edith, but by the 1910s or 1920s they had separated. She went to become head cook at Otterbourne Grange, near Eastleigh in Hampshire and Herbert came to live with his sister Nell Pickett and her husband Albert at The Cottage (2 Chestnut Cottage, Prospect Place, East Finchley).

Later on, Nell's other brother, Alfred, was ill and needed somewhere to live. There was no room at The Cottage with three adults and six children already living there, but the Picketts offered him the use of the pigsty in the back garden - cleaned up, of course, where he lived for a while. Alfred died at Whittington Hospital, Holloway.